I have really been debating this post for months.
I watched this YouTube video a while back and was really torn about posting it on SA Rocks. I have decided to do so simply because today Khaya (who I have blogged about before on SA Rocks) was featured on YouTube’s homepage responding to this racist idiot confused and misguided individual below:
This guy’s anger, ignorance, hatred, passion and violent outlook make me fairly ill. I wont get in to it too much because Khaya’s response is fairly substantial.
Here is Khaya’s response:
And then I found another video from the gem, R3NDI3R, that was posted on YouTube a month before his racist attempt at an SA explanation:
What happened to this twisted individual in the month between the video’s? Whatever it is, I am sorry for his experience but ignorance is not the answer, nor is racism or violence.
I am fairly nervous/interested to see what sort of response this post gathers from SA Rocks readers. I think that the first video is extremely extremist and scares the daylights out of me. The saddest part for me is that now the more than 100 000 viewers of that video think that all white South Africans are racist, violent and pretty silly in general.
What are your thoughts?
UPDATE:
R3ND3IR posted a response to Khaya’s YouTube featured success today. He seems a bit bitter about Khaya’s video and YouTube featuring it on their homepage!
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December 13th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Thanks Nic, nothing like a little of African inspired comedy before I head for New York…
You shouldn’t really be giving these idiots any publicity, thats the worse thing about all this web 2.0 and social networking crap it doesn’t allow for a middle ground, it generalizes people into narrow groupings and allows only for two extreme sides of any argument to come out, read news24′s mynews articles and comment for a wonderful example of this, freaky facists on both side.
What makes someone want to sit and rant to their little web camera on a global website anyway ?? Absolute stupidity, inferiority complex, or maybe a goverment which doesnt listen to him?? and then Khaya ranting back to his little web camera kinda makes him look just as silly,couldn’t he have followed the age old advice on idiots, if you ignore them they will go away?
Even better ask yourself why there is no white guy ranting back at the stupid nazi and showing its not a white Saffer thing and if their was a white person doing it would he be getting any publicity ???…
Do these two morons actually represent me and the other 45 million people in South Africa, I don’t think so, and the comments underneath the youtube videos are probably written by bigger morons who sit around watching little videos of people ranting on their computer in their spare time,come on who gives a left ball about them and what they think, looserville??
All I can say is thank god 95% of the African population doesn’t have internet access because there are a lot of black people who would be reverse R3ND3IR ranters talking about you and me in the same tone. If this was true would Khaya be on their protecting us by ranting at his little web cam ??
Oh well you know what they say, never under estimate stupid people in large groups…web 2.0 and Social networking rapped into one saying, yippeee… don’t let me get started on bloggers again…
December 13th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
The original video has been around Youtube for a while, btw. Its a tip of the iceberg on racist videos about SA as well as ‘nostalgia’ (SABC news bulletins from the 1980s, “jokes”, etc) for the “good old days” on Youtube. Do a basic search and you’ll see.
My query when I first saw this video (and others) was how much these attitudes were commonplace among ‘expats’?
December 14th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
only an idiot would base their opinion of an entire group of people(white south african)on the rantings of this youtube idiot,im sure most would see this man for what he is; a fool in his own right!and as for the ridiculous commenters supporting him on youtube,its easy to be big and bad when you’re hiding behind a computer screen,these are obviously sad,angry,ingnorant fools who feel the need to blame/project their own fears and insecurities on others to make themselves feel good and have purpose.sad.
December 14th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
And to ‘me’ above who said: ‘All I can say is thank god 95% of the African population doesn’t have internet access because there are a lot of black people who would be reverse R3ND3IR ranters talking about you and me in the same tone. If this was true would Khaya be on their protecting us by ranting at his little web cam ??’
I dont know where you got your statistic from but even if its true why would it ever be a good thing that people are’nt connected to the internent;a resourse of information and education,simply so you can avoid their views?
You seem to have some paranoia that if they were all on the net,all black africans would ‘be reverse R3ND3IR ranters talking about you and me in the same tone’.Whether something racist happens to a black or white person, racism happening to anyone is offensive to me and im sure to many black africans.
you assume that black africans dont care about white africans being spoken about negatively:
‘a lot of black people who would be reverse R3ND3IR ranters talking about you and me in the same tone. If this was true would Khaya be on their protecting us by ranting at his little web cam ??’
when khaya actually says on his video,
‘im am ashamed that people look at you(R3ND3IR) and think all white south africans think like you,but the ones i do(know) dont think like you’.is that not the ‘protecting us by ranting at his little web cam’ as you so put it?
and i dont think ‘Khaya ranting back to his little web camera kinda makes him look just as silly,couldn’t he have followed the age old advice on idiots, if you ignore them they will go away?’ is true.In reality if you ignore these idiots and dont speak back to them they’ll think they’re invincible.with that logic there’d still be apartheid!it might be messy and painful,but if something upsets/offends you,why should you remain silent?if khaya wants to speak his mind,he can.
December 15th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
I think it is absolutely hilarious. An ignorant white facist versus Mr Motormouth!
While watching Reindeer, his voice and words became backgound noise as I became transfixed by his left eyebrow’s acrobatics! I was totally absorbed in a game of my own – guessing how long it’d stay arched an inch above its counterpart on the right.
Surely, he is a suitable eyebrow double for Roger Moore the actor who played James Bond?
Khaya wins the match. In what I hope is his one and only response he dismissed Eyebrow like swatting a fly sitting on a vetkoek. He responded with facts.
Eyebrow did nothing but spew rhetoric. Vile rhetoric at that. And as Khaya says, Eyebrow might not be a racist but he certainly has deep rooted prejudices. Luckily these can be changed through engaging all that which irks him. But chances of that happening are……?
Eyebrow should not have switched on his cam. But vanity and ego are two powerful charecters to battle against hey?! And then as if to compound the matter he launches into a diatribe of utterly incomprehensible, vile, baseless verbage born out of anger at an incident he experienced at a checkout queue. Poor dumb idiot.
Khaya if you respond again, and I hope you do not, (and you know why), please go easy on this fella. We need his eyebrow antics to amuse us a little while longer!
December 15th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
You guys can say whatever you want and call me a nazi or whatever blows your hair back BUT in all my vids I state that it’s my opinion and not the rest of SA.
Secondly, calling me uneducated is very ignorant on your part seeing that you don’t know anything about me. I have a double honours degree that I received from the NMMU and will be receiving my masters next year.
Lastly, if you think this country is doing great with having the highest aids, crime and murder rate then I really don’t care what you say because clearly then you are delusional…
If you actually took the time to watch all my videos and not only the one’s where you want to see me as a racist, then perhaps you would have a better understanding of where I was coming from.
I HATE apartheid and what it did to this country…but using it as an excuse for the next 30 years is pathetic.
I can go on and on but I will leave it here. You already made up your mind so what is the point of trying to explain myself to you….
December 15th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Holy Mackerel a sensible retort!
OK so you are educated therefore you are possessed of rational thought and I hope logic.
If you did not have these two essentials you would not be better qualified than me as indeed you are on your way to being.
But at least I know when to stop ranting and start offering solutions.
What are your solutions? You cannot only be filled with negatives.
Offer the nation something to spark their genuine interest and inclination to debate. If you do this and succeed you will be a hero to 43 million grateful people.
So please engage us with solutions. As you will learn in business or government, the man at the top wants solutions not problems.
So let’s hear them.
December 15th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
@r3ndi3r – I am sorry if you feel persecuted…no, wait, I’m not at all. It’s uncomfortable having the table’s turned. And listen, if you managed to read the post correctly, I did say that I am sorry for whatever it is that has happened to make you hate so much and so many.
I have not made my mind up about you at all. In fact you intrigue me. Especially knowing now that you have a double honours and a masters on the way. How does such an educated person hate so vehemently?
In fact, I like Roberts suggestion and I am offering SA Rocks as a platform for you to help change the minds of those that judge you. Email me and I we can chat about this further and maybe get you to post something on SA Rocks. Or maybe even try to organise a meeting and chat in person. Let me know what you think.
December 15th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
So, Robert, what are YOUR solutions then? Only expecting them from others doesn’t add much either. More talking, commissions, committees? More ‘understanding’? More ‘reconciliation’? What’s there more to reconcile?
This government blames apartheid for AIDS (‘poverty’), poverty itself, crime etc. Still, after being in the driver’s seat for 14 years. Sorry, but then it becomes an opportunistic excuse – because you never hear what they inherited from that same apartheid: a very sophisticated infrastructure: roads, airports, seaports. An industrial and economical complex that is\was the best in Africa. Education – sure, not for everybody at all levels, but still, black people went to school – or at least, they could… Enabling this country to soar to unprecedented levels, financing change and upliftment.
All this gave them a massive jumpstart, but yet we are facing absurd crime-levels, deteriorating police and law enforment, exploding AIDS numbers – when is (or becomes) this government responsible for its own policy, execution and management? Or rather, when do they take responsibility?
Of course, good things happen as well – but then, people don’t care (or realise), because they are only affected by bad things happening to them.
The tragedy with this government is that they try to implement social experiments that, after trying for 70 years in Russia, proved to be unrealistic, unsustainable and unviable. That fossil of Mugabe tries the same, with the exact same poor results.
So, rather than a matter of race, it’s just a matter of lack of historical judgement – something you can definitely hold against this government.
On top of that, the “reversed apartheid” that is implemented these days, will hurt everybody: it’s unrealistic to expect people without the right (enough) education and experience to govern and manage professionally from day one – yet, they are appointed only because of skin color, ousting decades of experience at every governemental level – don’t we see the results at a daily basis? Failing public services, lack of planning, rising crime rates…
A socialist\marxist outlook, combined with a lack of skilled and experienced leaders\managers calls for trouble.
And no, not every man at the top wants solutions – some want a status quo, because solutions call for action – action calls for courage, as you change situations – and many people avert from change. So, those men at the top put their head in the sand, not hearing anything – politicians (worldwide) make this their one and only trait – no matter what solutions you bring up…
I know you disagree, so we eagerly look forward to your solutions (albeit possibly futile – which you then are not to blame for).
December 16th, 2007 at 1:08 am
I hope I read you correctly when you say, “And no, not every man at the top wants solutions – some want a status quo”.
Interesting observation.
December 16th, 2007 at 4:18 am
Lol, I’m sorry, but in my opinion, both sets of videos are rather week in explanation, and I feel sorry that the rest of the world will see those videos as descriptions of what South Africa is. A white man and a black man from the same country arguing > what a let down
Oh well. Good find Nic, cool to watch and cool to read
December 16th, 2007 at 9:54 am
listening to this and the replies i found a bit depressing. it seems everyone was falling into two camps, as if preparing for war or conflict or whatever. chris seems to have shared my feeling of let down.
i just think they both had good points and they both were not completely right. we should listen to people like r3ndi3r. true i disagree with a lot of what he said and true his posturing was aggressive but there is truth there. khaya was less aggressive and gave a good counter argument. but it really is a pity that most people develop an us and them mentality.
i somehow doubt i have succeeded in making my point. maybe it’s, let’s move on. work for a better south africa. all of us need to let the past go.
December 16th, 2007 at 10:01 am
Sjefke,
I have no solutions for you to mull over. None. Why on earth would I have? And seeing as how I am not the one bitching about the state of affairs in SA today I don’t need to provide any new concepts or proposals just to give you lazy arses something to hook into for ideas. Get your own solutions you lazy twit!
Also – understand something very clearly – the ANC inherited a country driven apart by whites, a very few whites at that. That these whites lived for generations off the fruits of cheap labour, as I did too, is in my opinion sufficient cause for any black person on gaining their freedom from fascist oppression, to exact terrible revenge.
That mass revenge has not occurred in South Africa and that you are alive and still living very well and also enjoy the freedom of speech previously denied by successive white governments, are testament to the maturity, wisdom, humanity, morality and humility of Mandela and his successors.
Don’t come asking me for solutions. If you bitch and moan then you provide the alternatives. If you cannot – then shut up.
If you were so impassioned and ablaze with the need to change things, you would not be posturing in 40+ videos or commenting on blogs. You would be some miles along into your well thought out programme to engage, discuss and change behaviours. Be honest – you cannot be that committed to change. You aren’t are you?
If you were, then just like any true patriotic hero from history, the number of discussions, no end of being stonewalled, countless fruitless meetings, letter writing and lobbying would not deter you. No, a determined and impassioned person wanting change for his/her people would not be discouraged by anything no matter how long it takes or regardless of how arduous it might be. Even if it becomes a lifetime struggle. Like Mandela for instance? Gee, what a doorstep of an example you have in your midst!
But you and eyebrow are armchair activists like the rest of us. You have not exactly hired the coaches for the Town Hall meetings tour yet have you? No I thought not. Neither have you even picked up the Yellow Pages to kick-start a mail shot to MPs and sympathisers.
You cannot bleat ‘n squeal and bitch in public and attempt to gain sympathy and (god forbid) support from the masses without an alternative agenda to replace the processes/policies and attitudes you decry as problematic.
So if you cannot change the world – go home.
In closing I will provide you two with a hint – it will take a lot, lot longer for black people to adjust to the status quo. Never forget – white people have had millenia worth of experience at governing countries and two centuries of the modern industrial economies under their belts.
The ANC only have 14 years experience at it. And they came from a position of abject oppression too. It will take many more years for maturity at running a modern country to cascade to future leaders.
So, if you young whites in S Africa still carry the remains of nationalist chips on your shoulders or are burdened by guilt about the past – get ready now to carry that weight a long, long time.
You will not have parity in South Africa for the next 3-4 generations. And it does not matter what the politicians, economists and media say or predict – forgetting apartheid will never happen. Like the Holocaust will never be allowed to be forgotten, the damage successive NP governments did through Apartheid also resides now in the chemistry of the soil of the continent and the as yet unborn will be taught the lessons of Apartheid by their elders and it will not be easy to get rid of. But it will be made bearable though contact, engagement and conversation.
So get used to it. Above all, engage the problems. Stop acting like illiterate, immature and very insecure thugs. Grow up. Extract head from where the sun does not shine and show maturity and generosity of spirit by seeking out those who can but try too to help resolve the issues. But continue to speak rationally, factually and openly about it while moving on to better and more positive things in your lives.
You all have such a wonderful opportunity ahead of you. Please make the best of it. South Africa is the economic engine of Southern Africa. A lot of people will depend on you and your black peers to ensure a positive, healthy and poverty-free future unfolds because without the South African economy and infrastructures, the southern continent and more will collapse. And then maybe the real problem begins. And before you ask, no I definitely do not have solutions for that either.
December 16th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Robert:
Like I said before, watch all my videos before passing judgment. I state in those videos solutions and troubles we as South Africans face along the way.
Im glad to know you haven’t made your mind up yet, shows a level of maturity on your part.
Why do I hate? I don’t hate, im very passionate about this country and seeing how it ALWAYS stays on the topic of colour frustrates me dearly. I want a better South Africa for ALL, and changing names before feeding the poor, fighting crime and aid, is rather pathetic in my eyes.
I speak my mind and accept the fact that I might be crucified for that… but people calling me a racist because I disagree with some decisions that the government makes is really ignorant and uncalled for.
What solutions do I have?
Before ANYTHING else, reduce Poverty. then educate in order for them to be able to feed themselves…through education they will learn how to deal with aids and what repercussions there are when doing crime…..then lastly change the names of towns etc. I don’t have a problem with changing names but it’s important to get the priorities right first….what is more important, changing 1000 names of places or saving one human life?
Thanks for listening
R3ndi3r
December 16th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
R3ndi3r,
Great start to the solutions.
While many others will prioritise different areas, I think alleviating the poverty levels and implimenting education programmes that encompass health and AIDS?HIV awareness is as good a place to begin.
Place name-changing should be lowest priority in terms of government spend. There are so many other more worthy issues crying out for budget.
I did omit from my previous comment that polarisation due to the video rants is a fast-track to permanent divide. To get the conversation started to bring about you being involved from the getgo as part of the influence that brings about positive change, you will have to meet representatives from all the communities to kickstart a dialogue.
Would you be prepared to do this? Now consider this carefully because at risk here is a thing called a ‘role model’. And in this I mean you. I do not at all mean the Cinderella story. That is too cute and Disney. The true one is an even better one – angry podcast punk into change leader.
A great example is Jonny Rotten from the Sex Pistols. A couple of years back the angry anti-establishment rocker went on “I’m a Celebrity Get Me Outta Here” and won the heart of Britain. He so changed public opinion of him due to his ability to be so great at interacting with the other participants who came from opposite ends of the social divide. He worked them and the millions of TV viewers until he had them in the palm of his hand.
South Africa needs role models from all the communities who will be able to interpret the ideas and methods required to bring about behaviorial change.
You know that resistance to change is really only a matter of people being disturbed at the level of ‘control’ they will be able to leverage over what change is actually needed. It is the small things in change management that make or break the result not the one dimensional view that change is bad.
Will you be prepared to have a go at starting such a programme? It is hard work and needs focus. But if you want it and the others want it then it will happen. But it needs to be made to happen and in this you are important to kickstart the process.
I say – go for it!
You have everything to gain and precious little to lose. All that is needed is someone facilitate the meeting of the interested parties.
Nic?
December 16th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
I agree with what you said above. I can however add that I have an education class that I run. It’s been running for 8 months now and 900 students have been to my lecture. The lecture entails how to write a proper CV and how to compose yourself in an interview. It targets the grade 11 and 12 classes of schools in the previous disadvantaged areas.
I also partake in Supersport soccer ball charity in the Eastern Cape.
April 16th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Reindeer – I do not know how to read you, I base my comments on what I see and hear in your videos. Several times when speaking of apartheid you twist the truth – for instance asking how many uprisings there were where no one got killed. There were many demonstrations and though police did not always kill, they almost always violently put down protests. I am an American but I specialize in SA history and spent 6 months in your beautiful country. At first my reaction for the the first 4 months was “what crime”? Then I got mugged myself in Joubert Park – a run-down section of Johbg. Still, crime while a serious problem, is not as bad as some portray, and we deal with it in Washington, DC and a multitude of other American cities. Statistically we are nowhere near SA’s level, but it’s here too. In any case Khaya makes a lot of sense in his video, he now has a blog on the Mail and Guardian site, and while I don’t always agree with him, I always enjoy reading his articles.
May 19th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
@ Robert, you are a very painful read.
SA is currently experiencing the same trouble that Zim experienced in the eighties. There is a slight boom after independence but eventually leads to disaster.
Johnny Rotten is dead as the dodo lol! Just so you know the Sex Pistols were the most fake and commercially engineered band since the Beatles. But since your only real frame of reference is almost certainly induced by the idiot box in the corner of your room. Further debate with a highly informed individual like yourself is useless. As I was not bought up watching TV.
Want to know where SA will be in twenty years? Look at Kenya today!
October 30th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Be careful of what comments you post on blogs, bloggers.
The name for my internet connection was changed to KILL by none other than that guy called Uhuru Guru from SAS.
He has hijacked my computer, totally.
And that’s not because I don’t have internet security. I have three programs for this.
He is a blackmailer who will stoop to the lowest of the lowest.
January 7th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
from observing comments on this site and others my question is apartheid is over but the reports i have been reading there is an increase in the crime rate etc. blacks getting the jobs in preference to the whites. shouldnt now that apartheid has been obolished there be equal opportunity for all regardless of race colour or creed. I would like to visit s a but am afraid after the sad and frighteneing picture that has been painted on the internet
December 31st, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Excellent write-up, I am a big believer in leaving comments on blogs to help the website writers know that they’ve added something of great benefit to the world wide web!
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:15 am
There is clearly a misunderstanding going on here – as it is everywhere you look, whenever a white person questions whichever system is run by non-whites. Obviously, NONE with his rational assets left would ever behold SA from a positive aspect; it is simply irrational and, well… retarded. First off, why the collective generalization against whites? Way to fuel the fire and – of course – contradict yourselves, “anti racists”. Secondly, I have watched R3NDI3Rs videos for a while now, and though I do not fully agree with him, I must say there is a severe case of double-standards and paradoxical argumentation in our society – a fact that is clearly stated in your way of arguing.
Why should anyone be accused of racism and “white supremacism” only because he or she claim there seem too be racial crimes committed against white people? How on earth is this racist against blacks? The ongoing debate-climate is insane! I don’t see anyone arguing that the fact that black people, for instance, recognize the crimes committed against them make them racists against whites (or even Arabs who put them into slavery even more than the Europeans did during this age). Apparently, only white people should accept being discriminated against.
It seems to me that most people reason that only because Apartheid was put to system and established to oppose blacks – whites TODAY (!!!), who has NOTHING to do with our cruel and horrific history (which by the way every people have), should be blamed, accused, put to silence; and forever blacklisted as a collective, and as a people. It is simply madness. R3NDi3r has acutely stated that he does not oppose black Africans. You pitch him in a hole because the opponent, at htis moment, happens to be of a different color. Therefore, you assume, he has to be racist, and not the other way around. We all know Caucasions have a racially, genetically deformed mutation as a race, right? Only Caucasions and whites are racist and victimizers… (Irony).
Clearly SA is in bad shape right now, and whites are being persecuted and even murdered for a history they are not even guilty of. Some people, including some oikophobes who would gladly kill themselves for the horrific crimes whites committed years ago, reason that white africans should “pay” for the Apartheid – even though they are not, even the slightest, related to this era, other than the color of their skin.
We must oppose and confront racism, but the only way to do so is to recognize the most primitive nature of it – the fact that we all are, regardless of race or gender. If not, you are not any better than the supporters of apartheid.
To fight racism with racism is obviously not the solution.
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