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]]> By: Don Packett Comedy – South African stand up comedian : We Blog The World http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-19125 Don Packett Comedy – South African stand up comedian : We Blog The World Mon, 29 Mar 2010 02:36:00 +0000 http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/#comment-19125 [...] Stand-up comedy in SA – What’s with the race thing? [...] [...] Stand-up comedy in SA – What’s with the race thing? [...]

]]> By: Shaun Wewege http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-18224 Shaun Wewege Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:14:31 +0000 http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/#comment-18224 @Mandy: Thanks! It is unfortunate that comics fall back on race gags. Here is the problem though - do you try educate your audience and push boundaries with your act; or do you give the punters what they pay for? Much of this depends on the room - an audience of older, conservative folks tend to prefer plays on stereotypes and jokes; while educated students might be able to follow a comic when he or she makes an observation about an everyday situation. @Mandy: Thanks!

It is unfortunate that comics fall back on race gags. Here is the problem though – do you try educate your audience and push boundaries with your act; or do you give the punters what they pay for? Much of this depends on the room – an audience of older, conservative folks tend to prefer plays on stereotypes and jokes; while educated students might be able to follow a comic when he or she makes an observation about an everyday situation.

]]> By: Mandy http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-17934 Mandy Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:11:02 +0000 http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/#comment-17934 I know I am late to the party but I agree wholeheartedly. If I hear another race joke I may scream. Fortunatly there are some great young comics coming through the ranks now 2009; who never do race stuff. Look for them and you are sure to be blown away: Melt Sieberhagen, Hannes Brummer, Warren Robertson, Vittorio Leonardi, Shaun Wewege..all top top acts who always make me laugh. I know I am late to the party but I agree wholeheartedly. If I hear another race joke I may scream. Fortunatly there are some great young comics coming through the ranks now 2009; who never do race stuff. Look for them and you are sure to be blown away: Melt Sieberhagen, Hannes Brummer, Warren Robertson, Vittorio Leonardi, Shaun Wewege..all top top acts who always make me laugh.

]]> By: faces http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-16564 faces Tue, 19 May 2009 14:30:49 +0000 http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/#comment-16564 So many comedians like to use the race thing or use politics a very time when a comedian says jokes they use white people insulting black or zulu,xhosa people which not nice people are getting bored now by this. they must look for other jokes get creative So many comedians like to use the race thing or use politics a very time when a comedian says jokes they use white people insulting black or zulu,xhosa people which not nice people are getting bored now by this. they must look for other jokes get creative

]]> By: David Michael Thurston http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-14015 David Michael Thurston Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:45:46 +0000 http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/#comment-14015 Don Rickles, Bill Hicks, Steven Write, Dane Cook, and Andrew Dice Clay when I hear those names I think of my niece, Malory and a finger painting she made. It was stick figures and a sun in the corner. Hanging on the refrigerator it looked like my old paintings that I gave my mom when I was a kid. “Is it as good as Fank-oid-ite,” she said as well as a four year old can say Frank Loyd Wright. “Yes it is, even better probably. You are awesome. You are special.” I say that to my four year old niece, because that’s what you say to a child when they act like a child. That’s what they are supposed to do. Don Rickles was a genius as was Frank Loyd Wright. He pointed out ethnic differences that other wise went un-noticed. He made fun of the audience. He was ground breaking. He was cutting edge - at the time. But to do that today is not cutting edge. To make fun of some ones ethnicity today, in a culture that celebrates diversity, is totally inappropriate. Additionally it is sixty years out of date. So if you want to make fun of the audience, especially because of their race you have missed the boat. You look like a kid with a finger painting claiming to be Frank Loyd Write. Rickles is a genius but those who came after and didn’t know how to do it right have damaged comedy beyond repair. To this day people don’t go to clubs because they don’t want to get made fun of. They don’t wan to sit in the front row, especially if they have a distinguished feature, strong ethnic look or any uniqueness. Don’t make fun of the audience. It’s an old trick. It’s someone else trick and you’re hurting the industry. Bill Hick, genius, honest and ground breaking for the time. He said everything that needed to be said about porn and masturbation. There fore you don’t need to say anything about it. It makes everyone feel uncomfortable to come out on stage talk about that subject. It might be funny to your and your friends that know you but the audience doesn’t know you. You are a stranger. Be vulnerable on stage but be vulnerable about something other than that. Be vulnerable about something that no one has talked about. Hicks was cutting edge because he went against the culture, he talked about what everyone wouldn’t talk about. Today everyone talks about it so you aren’t new. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that if Hicks were alive today he would say, “There’s too much porn. Get a life. Get out of your house, you whining, distracted, unattractive sons of Satan.” Don’t talk about porn. Do talk about a new topic of vulnerability. Steven Wright had a low energy because he has low energy. He was being himself. You need to do the same thing: Be yourself. Be your energy. Too many comics are taking the stage and waiting for the audience to applaud after saying one line. Steven Wright has taken a good chunk of the jokes that are going to be able to survive that energy level in the same way that Carrot Top has taken any prop jokes that are going to survive. Furthermore, we live in a society of impatient. Research shows that if the average person can’t log onto a web site in 7 seconds they go to another web site. As a comic you have got to be Google efficient. You got to deliver fast enough to keep their attention. You are doing yourself a favor by brining comedy with energy, your energy. Dane Cook is a great example of high energy comedy. You can see his influence at almost every open mic in the country. But again as soon as you look like Dane Cook you are no longer on the cutting edge. The audience has seen it. Be your energy. Andrew Dice Clay? I personally don’t like his material at all and I don’t see any redeemable quality in his work. However, he did sell out arenas so he must have figured something out. My personal views aside, he has said everything filthy that needed to be said. Don’t try make a career that was already be capitalized on. You look silly. Be smart. Be cleaver. Be original. If you have an original idea and then you take it as dirty as possible it starts to sound like you are lifting Clay’s material even if you have a new idea. Don’t go blue just for the sake of going blue. It’s been done. In conclusion, don’t make fun of the audience, don’t talk about porn and masturbation, don’t come out with no energy say one thing and wait for the audience to adore you, don’t be Dane Cook, and don’t be dirty just to be dirty. Do appreciate the audience and thank them for coming out. Hope that they do and they bring people so we don’t pass out so many fliers, post and repost bulletins. Do talk about vulnerabilities that you have that no one else has talked about. Do go out and earn your laughs. Do smart, creative, original funny comedy. Do create the new thing. And if you still feel like you need to make fun of people, talk about porn and masturbation, with no energy or some one else’s personality and be filthy about it than all I have to say to you is, “You are awesome. You’re special aren’t ya.” For this and other blogs on comedy go to www.myspace.com/azstandup Don Rickles, Bill Hicks, Steven Write, Dane Cook, and Andrew Dice Clay when I hear those names I think of my niece, Malory and a finger painting she made. It was stick figures and a sun in the corner. Hanging on the refrigerator it looked like my old paintings that I gave my mom when I was a kid. “Is it as good as Fank-oid-ite,” she said as well as a four year old can say Frank Loyd Wright.
“Yes it is, even better probably. You are awesome. You are special.” I say that to my four year old niece, because that’s what you say to a child when they act like a child. That’s what they are supposed to do.
Don Rickles was a genius as was Frank Loyd Wright. He pointed out ethnic differences that other wise went un-noticed. He made fun of the audience. He was ground breaking. He was cutting edge – at the time. But to do that today is not cutting edge. To make fun of some ones ethnicity today, in a culture that celebrates diversity, is totally inappropriate. Additionally it is sixty years out of date. So if you want to make fun of the audience, especially because of their race you have missed the boat. You look like a kid with a finger painting claiming to be Frank Loyd Write.
Rickles is a genius but those who came after and didn’t know how to do it right have damaged comedy beyond repair. To this day people don’t go to clubs because they don’t want to get made fun of. They don’t wan to sit in the front row, especially if they have a distinguished feature, strong ethnic look or any uniqueness. Don’t make fun of the audience. It’s an old trick. It’s someone else trick and you’re hurting the industry.
Bill Hick, genius, honest and ground breaking for the time. He said everything that needed to be said about porn and masturbation. There fore you don’t need to say anything about it. It makes everyone feel uncomfortable to come out on stage talk about that subject. It might be funny to your and your friends that know you but the audience doesn’t know you. You are a stranger. Be vulnerable on stage but be vulnerable about something other than that. Be vulnerable about something that no one has talked about. Hicks was cutting edge because he went against the culture, he talked about what everyone wouldn’t talk about. Today everyone talks about it so you aren’t new. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that if Hicks were alive today he would say, “There’s too much porn. Get a life. Get out of your house, you whining, distracted, unattractive sons of Satan.” Don’t talk about porn. Do talk about a new topic of vulnerability.
Steven Wright had a low energy because he has low energy. He was being himself. You need to do the same thing: Be yourself. Be your energy. Too many comics are taking the stage and waiting for the audience to applaud after saying one line. Steven Wright has taken a good chunk of the jokes that are going to be able to survive that energy level in the same way that Carrot Top has taken any prop jokes that are going to survive. Furthermore, we live in a society of impatient. Research shows that if the average person can’t log onto a web site in 7 seconds they go to another web site. As a comic you have got to be Google efficient. You got to deliver fast enough to keep their attention. You are doing yourself a favor by brining comedy with energy, your energy.
Dane Cook is a great example of high energy comedy. You can see his influence at almost every open mic in the country. But again as soon as you look like Dane Cook you are no longer on the cutting edge. The audience has seen it. Be your energy.
Andrew Dice Clay? I personally don’t like his material at all and I don’t see any redeemable quality in his work. However, he did sell out arenas so he must have figured something out. My personal views aside, he has said everything filthy that needed to be said. Don’t try make a career that was already be capitalized on. You look silly. Be smart. Be cleaver. Be original. If you have an original idea and then you take it as dirty as possible it starts to sound like you are lifting Clay’s material even if you have a new idea. Don’t go blue just for the sake of going blue. It’s been done.
In conclusion, don’t make fun of the audience, don’t talk about porn and masturbation, don’t come out with no energy say one thing and wait for the audience to adore you, don’t be Dane Cook, and don’t be dirty just to be dirty. Do appreciate the audience and thank them for coming out. Hope that they do and they bring people so we don’t pass out so many fliers, post and repost bulletins. Do talk about vulnerabilities that you have that no one else has talked about. Do go out and earn your laughs. Do smart, creative, original funny comedy. Do create the new thing. And if you still feel like you need to make fun of people, talk about porn and masturbation, with no energy or some one else’s personality and be filthy about it than all I have to say to you is, “You are awesome. You’re special aren’t ya.”

For this and other blogs on comedy go to http://www.myspace.com/azstandup

]]> By: goitsemang http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-11565 goitsemang Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:06:05 +0000 http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/#comment-11565 i agree with most of you, i think some comedians take the race issue to another level whereas they were suppose to help in removing that from other peoples minds. after all when one goes to a standup comedy show, then it means that one wants to laugh and enjoy, not be hurt and not be reminded of the past. i agree with most of you, i think some comedians take the race issue to another level whereas they were suppose to help in removing that from other peoples minds. after all when one goes to a standup comedy show, then it means that one wants to laugh and enjoy, not be hurt and not be reminded of the past.

]]> By: robert http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5333 robert Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:19:27 +0000 http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/#comment-5333 I agree that race in conedy is outmoded and inappropriate these days. But guess what, even here in UK the race ticket in comedy has never really left the stage and is about to make a comeback. As part of Europe , the UK is the most sought after place to work. And so the country have to acccept and take in workers from all parts of EU. The town of Reading (home of the Reading FC Premier soccer club) has a very large Polish communisty. So huge they now even print the local Reading Evening Post in Polish. And Reading has a Jongeleurs Comedy Club. You can bet that like the USA have their Polish jokes, the UK will be getting them too. I do not like stand up. In fact I do not like live theatre. But even still, I do not like to think that a comedian will include racist jokes in his show. Bad form and shows complete lack of ability to innovate and create new gags. I agree that race in conedy is outmoded and inappropriate these days. But guess what, even here in UK the race ticket in comedy has never really left the stage and is about to make a comeback.

As part of Europe , the UK is the most sought after place to work. And so the country have to acccept and take in workers from all parts of EU. The town of Reading (home of the Reading FC Premier soccer club) has a very large Polish communisty. So huge they now even print the local Reading Evening Post in Polish.

And Reading has a Jongeleurs Comedy Club. You can bet that like the USA have their Polish jokes, the UK will be getting them too.

I do not like stand up. In fact I do not like live theatre. But even still, I do not like to think that a comedian will include racist jokes in his show. Bad form and shows complete lack of ability to innovate and create new gags.

]]> By: Claudia http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5330 Claudia Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:02:40 +0000 http://sarocks.co.za/2007/11/08/stand-up-comedy-in-sa-whats-with-the-race-thing/#comment-5330 I was at the just because comedy festival recently. And must say that I agree that Trevor and Loyiso are both brilliant comedians. I think the funniest jokes are the ones we can relate to. I dont know anything about astronomy so I dont think i will find jokes about it funny. But I know a lot about different races and so do most ppl. So what do these comedians do? Talk about things we can relate to most. Thats race issues. I love it. I was at the just because comedy festival recently. And must say that I agree that Trevor and Loyiso are both brilliant comedians. I think the funniest jokes are the ones we can relate to. I dont know anything about astronomy so I dont think i will find jokes about it funny. But I know a lot about different races and so do most ppl. So what do these comedians do? Talk about things we can relate to most. Thats race issues. I love it.

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